QUESTION TIME – LIVE
Nick Griffin arrives during BBC Television Centre Photograph: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images
9.30pm: Earlier currently Gordon Brown pronounced which putting a BNP upon Question Time would be "a great event to arrangement what they have been about". We're about to find out either he's right.
The arguments about either or not a BBC was right to entice Nick Griffin, a BNP leader, have been rehearsed ad nauseam over a last week as great as there's no indicate starting over them again here.
Let's customarily contend it's a vast impulse for a most successful far-right statesman in British governing body since Oswald Mosley.
The BNP website has had a time upon a home page counting down a seconds until tonight's programme begins.
In most respects Griffin has already "won", since a call in to crop up upon Question Time has since a BNP a grade of broadside which contingency be precious to a teen celebration during vast beheld as loathsome.
Most people already have crafty views about a BNP as great as it's difficult to suppose which tonight's programme will shift what any a single thinks fundamentally. But it will concentration a public's courtesy upon Griffin in a approach which it hasn't been focused before, as great as – as we write – it's difficult to envision how this will spin out.
This is additionally a vast night for a BBC. Will #BBCQT, as they're job it upon Twitter, spin out to be a stream practice in stream affairs journalism, or a pale arrangement of downmarket infotainment? We'll have a improved suspicion by 11.30pm.
And it's a vast night for during slightest a single alternative part of of a row too. Jack Straw, a probity secretary, as great as Chris Huhne, a Lib Dem home affairs spokesman, have been determined Westminster figures. But a Tory village congruity spokeswoman, Sayeeda Warsi, is a relations unknown, who is about to face a greatest plea of her domestic career. If she does well, she can design benefaction graduation in to a A league.
Before we start, let's customarily get a single thing straight. Watching a headlines over a last couple of days, or celebration of a mass a papers, we could be forgiven for meditative which a BNP have been a vital force in UK politics. They're not.
It's loyal which they perceived roughly 1m votes in a European elections in June. But they customarily got 6.2% of a vote. In a 2005 ubiquitous choosing they got 0.7% of a inhabitant opinion (or an normal 4.3% of a opinion in a seats they contested). In a English internal elections hold upon a same day as a European elections, 2,363 legislature seats were up for election. The BNP won customarily 3 of them.
Question Time starts during 10.35pm. I'll see we then.
9.46pm: Alert readers will have beheld which my 9.30pm post had a essence of something created progressing in a day. It was. The programme has right away been accessible as great as a BBC has already been arrangement a little "highlights". For some-more details, have a demeanour my co-worker Adam Gabbatt's outrageous live blog.
I've been examination a coverage upon BBC News for a last 40 mins as great as a accord seems to be that, nonetheless there was no "knock-out blow", Griffin was shown up flattering effectively. It's a bit similar to reviewing a movie carrying customarily seen a trailers, though we was struck by a reply he gave when David Dimbleby asked if he denied which a Holocaust happened. He pronounced which he had never been convicted for pyre denial. He seemed to smirk, as if he suspicion he was giving a crafty answer, though it was a single of a most self-incriminating things I've ever seen a statesman contend upon TV.
9.55pm: Here's a story which a Press Association is using about a broadcast:
British National Party personality Nick Griffin tonight denied he was a Nazi as he finished his argumentative initial coming upon a BBC's Question Time.
During a recording he claimed he was "loathed" by Nazis in Britain since of a citation he had taken a far-right party.
At a single forked he taunted Justice Secretary Jack Straw, observant his own father had served in a RAF during a Second World War whilst Mr Straw's father had been in jail for "refusing to quarrel Hitler".
Asked by presenter David Dimbleby if he had ever denied a Holocaust, he replied: "I do not have a self-assurance for Holocaust denial."
He was pounded by a series of assembly members, with a single male branding his views as "disgusting" as great as accusing him of "poisoning politics".
Another male referred to derisively which he should be consigned to a South Pole where "the dull landscape will fit you".
Mr Griffin claimed he had been "relentlessly pounded as great as demonised" in a days heading up to a programme.
"I am not a not Nazi as great as never have been," he said.
He shielded his avowal which Winston Churchill would have been a BNP part of if he was alive currently as great as pronounced a celebration had altered underneath his leadership.
"I am a most loathed male in Britain in a eyes of Britain's Nazis," he said.
"They disgust me since we have brought a British National Party from being, frankly, an anti-Semitic as great as extremist organization in to being a customarily domestic celebration which, in a clashes in between Israel as great as Gaza, stood full block during a behind of Israel's right to understanding with Hamas terrorists."
Mr Straw however pronounced that, similar to a Nazis, a BNP a single after an additional to conclude itself upon a basement of race.
"It is which disproportion – a actuality which a BNP defines itself upon competition – which distinguishes it from each alternative domestic celebration we can consider of," he said.
Shadow communities apportion Baroness Warsi pronounced a infancy of a assembly had been "appalled" by Mr Griffin's views which had been "exposed" by his coming upon a programme.
Liberal Democrat home affairs orator Chris Huhne indicted Mr Griffin of "playing a same aged game" of "pedalling loathing as great as fright opposite a minority".
In a sec, we'll see how a BBC is covering it upon a 10 o'clock news.
9.59pm: First, prior to a news, a block for a programme from David Dimbleby. As if it hasn't had sufficient broadside already …
10.00pm: At a tip of a BBC headlines there's a "I do not have a self-assurance for Holocaust denial" quote. And a punchy soundbite from a black male in a assembly observant most people in a college of music will find Nick Griffin's views repulsive.
In a single of a clips we saw earlier, Jack Straw, a probity secretary, was shown observant which he suspicion this had been a inauspicious week for a BNP. This right away sounds somewhat reduction improbable than it did when we initial listened it about an hour ago, but, since a approach minority parties hunger for publicity, it still seems unlikely.
10.08pm: Here's what Nick Griffin told a Press Association after a programme.
People who have regularly been opposite a BNP will contend which we couldn't answer a little things. But a outrageous swath of British people will recollect a little of a things we pronounced as great as contend to themselves they've never listened any a single upon Question Time contend which prior to as great as millions of people will consider which male speaks what we feel. we consider people will see a unusual feeling shown to me from a people representing a 3 aged parties. It's still a have a difference of a categorical domestic parties being opposite a alien as great as which is what it is about. we would contend it was a difficult fought compare as great as I'm ideally happy which we have finished my best. we can see which millions of people who don't customarily watch Question Time will recollect what I've pronounced as great as consider that's how they feel as great as I'm ideally happy with that.
10.10pm: Nick Robinson creates a indicate which minority parties similar to exposure, though which bearing "works both way". He additionally says which await for parties similar to a BNP is routinely a product of disillusion with a mainstream parties.
After about 10 mins upon a BNP, they're right away upon to a postal strike. We'll be equates to to watch a full programme in twenty-five minutes.
Unless we live in Wales. For a little reason, it's not being promote there until 11.05pm.
10.15pm: In a suggestion of openness, I'm regularly happy to block opposition live blogs. The Times have been using one, which we can review here. And ConservativeHome have been we do one, from 10.30pm, which we can review here. Anyone seen any others?
10.20pm: Peter Hain, a Welsh cabinet part of as great as a single of a heading critics of a BBC's preference to horde a programme, has released this statement:
This BBC preference could finish up blighting a lives of most decent people in Britain customarily since they have been not white. The BBC should be abashed of single-handedly we do a racist, nazi celebration a greatest foster in a filthy history. That a BNP has publicly thanked a BBC says it all. Our black, Muslim as great as Jewish adults will nap most reduction simply right away a BBC has legitimised a BNP by treating a extremist poison as a views of customarily an additional mainstream domestic celebration when it is so singly immorality as great as dangerous.
I'm not certain which a BBC have been treating a BNP as "just an additional mainstream domestic party", though a indicate about a BNP's preference to appreciate a house being divulgence is a absolute one.
10.25pm: Sayeed Warsi, or Baroness Warsi as she is, says she thinks a programme has unprotected Griffin's "face of extremism".
The complaint was which he didn't unequivocally have most views to give, a lot of it was perplexing to trip out of what he has pronounced in a past. This man's was unequivocally most unprotected for a male which he is. When he was questioned upon his views his face of extremism was exposed. He was since an event to insist a little of his policies as great as he couldn't.
From what I've seen so far, it's difficult to discuss it how great she performed. As we explained in my initial post, tonight she's had a possibility to settle herself as a Tory star. we can't discuss it nonetheless either she's managed it.
10.33pm: The Nothing British about a BNP live blog might be value gripping an eye upon (although there's not most there now.) Here's a page with updates from a "mole" in a audience.
10.36pm: Here we go. It's starting. We've had a clips as great as a extracts. Now for a total thing.
10.37pm: David Dimbleby introduces a panel, though any admission of a debate of a evening. Everyone is seeking utterly stern. Thankfully a producers have avoided a cliche of putting Nick Griffin upon a distant right.
The initial subject asks if a BNP is entitled to steal Churchill.
Jack Straw goes first. No, he says. Churchill fought a Nazis. The Nazis had an beliefs formed upon race. And which is common by an additional party, represented upon a panel. At initial he does not name a BNP. And he says Britain customarily won World War Two with a assistance of black as great as Asian soldiers. And right away he's celebration of a mass out a names of a little Asian soldiers who fought with soldiers from Lancashire. Straw gets dual apart rounds of applause.
10.41pm: Nick Griffin goes next. He says which a BNP is a customarily celebration which would have certified Churchill since of his views upon competition as great as immigration.
Griffin says which his father was in a RAF in a way. And Straw's father was in prison. (He was a responsible objector.) This gets a boo.
Dimbleby asks since which is relevant. Griffin says it's since he [Griffin] has been demonised.
A black male in a assembly says a immeasurable infancy of people in a assembly find him "completely disgusting". Another part of of a assembly criticises him for not enchanting with Straw's arguments.
10.44pm: Dimbleby hurdles Griffin upon things he has pronounced in a past. He quotes from something Griffin pronounced about wanting a UK to be 99% ethnically white. Griffin does not repudiate this. But he takes emanate with a allude to in a Daily Mail attributed to him about black people upon foot similar to monkeys. Griffin says he did not contend it.
Warsi is upon now. She quotes from someone she says was a BNP's conduct of broadside – Griffin intervenes to he wasn't conduct of broadside – as great as a allude to is about Churchill. Churchill was an "effing [something]". we don't know what, since a BBC bleeps it out.
10.47pm: Bonnie Greer, who seems to be creation a indicate of being well-behaved to Griffin – she says they're both graduates, as great as Griffin has to scold her, revelation her he complicated law, not story – comes subsequent as great as she says which Churchill's mom was descended from a mohawk Indian. Greer says which would have him incompetent to stick upon a BNP.
10.50pm: Chris Huhne is ratcheting things up. He throws a little quotes during Griffin – a little of them have been from this piece, by Nick Cohen – as great as he hurdles Griffin to repudiate them. He says Griffin pronounced which Adolf Hitler went "a bit as great far". Griffin says he never pronounced this.
Dimbleby picks him up upon an additional quote, which was in a Cohen square as great as which is accessible upon YouTube. It shows Griffin observant which a BNP would similar to to get to a upon all sides where, eventually, they could convince a British open to accept full repatriation of blacks. Dimbleby says which Griffin was subsequent to a personality of a Klu Klux Klan when he was creation these points. Griffin says a Klu Klux Klan was mostly non-violent. The assembly appear to find this preposterous.
10.54pm: Jack Straw says we're observant what happens when Griffin gets challenged about things he has said. Griffin denies them. Straw calls him a Dr Strangelove.
10.55pm: Three antagonistic questions to Griffin, about a Holocaust, competition as great as repatriation.
Griffin claims he cannot contend since he altered his thoughts since European law prevents it. He's referring to Holocaust rejection legislation in force in countries similar to Germany.
Straw says which does not request here.
Griffin says he has altered his thoughts about a Holocaust. He refers to air wave intercepts. Straw says we do not need a air wave prevent to know about Auschwitz.
10.59pm: The subsequent subject is about Islam, which Griffin described as a "vile" religion. Warsi, who is Muslim, says he is "thoroughly deceptive".
11.01pm: A part of of a assembly asks Griffin how most travelling he has done. Griffin says he has been to Libya recently. Straw says that's since he was perplexing to get appropriation from Gaddafi.
11.02pm: Bonnie Greer says which Griffin has his own perspective of British history. On a BNP website, story starts in around 700AD. The BNP do not discuss a Romans. That's since a Romans were multi-cultural. Good point.
11.04pm: Someone asks if a success of a BNP can be explained by a "misguided immigration policies of a government." Dimbleby throws it to Straw.
Straw starts by removing sidetracked in to a story lesson. Someone referred to Enoch Powell earlier. But, as a illness minister, Powell was in foster of immigration.
Straw says he frequency knows any a single who is "true British" since we all have opposite secular elements in a make-up.
Dimbleby brings him behind to a question. Are a BNP we do great since of Labour failings? No, says Straw. The BNP did great since of displeasure with all a domestic parties, partly since of a losses controversy.
11.08pm: Warsi comes in now. She accuses Straw of being disingenuous. At last! Some normal celebration governing body is violation through. She accuses Labour of ignoring a concerns electorate feel about immigration. Mainstream parties have to uncover people they have been listening.
What will we do about it, Dimbleby asks.
Warsi says there should be a top upon immigration, as great as difficult movement to understanding with bootleg immigrants. "But what we should not do is lift up a drawbridge."
You can see since David Cameron was penetrating to have Warsi upon a panel. She can have these arguments though any a single meditative she's a "nasty" Tory.
11.13pm: Chris Huhne says there have been "shambolic" failings in immigration policy. The supervision can no longer "count people out".
The supervision additionally finished a inapplicable designation when it projected which 56,000 people from Eastern Europe would come to a UK when Poland as great as alternative countries assimilated a EU. In fact, some-more than 700,000 immigrants arrived. The supervision should have finished what alternative countries did, as great as behind entrance rights for a brand new members of a EU.
Straw says a Lib Dems essentially voted with a supervision upon this. Huhne says he was not in Parliament during a time.
11.15pm: Nick Griffin says which it's startling to listen to a Lib Dems taking value of an anti-immigration stance.
Griffin says Straw was right. No a single celebration was to blame. All governments have non-stop a doors to immigration.
Straw says he is articulate about whites. "Colour is irrelevant," Griffin says. This provokes guffaws of dishonesty from a audience. Griffin says a white British have been being treated with colour similar to aborigines.
(Does Griffin essentially know what happened to a aborigines?)
Dimbleby throws an additional allude to during Griffin. Griffin described immigration as an action of "genocide".
Warsi asks if he knows what "genocide" means. Griffin claims he does. It's about a drop of a culture, he says. She says he's articulate nonsense.
11.20pm: Bonnie Greer, who is clamp authority of a British Museum, says which all Europeans have been descended from Africans. Griffin laughs, though he does not appear to be enjoying it much. She says which she should lend him a little story books, since a story upon a BNP's website is weird. She's treating him similar to a crazy teenager, instead of a sinister threat. It's utterly an in effect stance.
A black male in a audience, who says which he was innate as great as brought up in Britain, asks Griffin which nation a BNP would send him to. He says members of a assembly would be happy to send Griffin to a North Pole, a colour-free zone. The fun is about lame, though a rest of a subject is shining – precise, funny, personal, absolute … as great as unanswerable.
11.25pm: Jack Straw says he is descended from Jewish immigrants. Warsi says which might be a case, though which does not change a actuality which a supervision has not rubbed a immigration complaint properly.
11.26pm: Only 10 mins to go, Dimbleby says. He takes a subject about a January Moir essay in a Daily Mail essay about Stephen Gately. He says he does not wish a total programme to be about a BNP.
Bonnie Greer says which she did not similar to a article, though which a Daily Mail was entitled to tell it.
Chris Huhne says a essay was prejudiced. All of us, during a little time, find ourselves in a minority. The January Moir essay did not apply oneself a happy village as great as was "a very, unequivocally retrospective step".
11.29pm: Dimbleby turns to Warsi. He says she was created articles about homosexuality undermining family life. He does not elaborate, as great as she does not residence this without delay in her answer. But she says she supports polite partnerships.
11.31pm: Griffin says which he disapproved of a essay since he takes a out-of-date perspective which we should customarily contend great things about a dead. Dimbleby asks if he still finds a steer of dual group kissing repulsive. Griffin says he does. But he says which when he became BNP personality a celebration suspicion happy sex should be outlawed. Now a celebration takes a perspective which what people do in in isolation does not matter.
So, Griffin is presenting himself as a moderniser!
Someone in a assembly says that, if Griffin finds happy people repulsive, a feeling is mutual. Griffin laughs insincerely. He's been we do which utterly a lot this evening.
11.35pm: The last subject is about a uncover itself. Was it an early Yuletide benefaction to a BNP? Griffin says which he never pronounced "Thank we Auntie". The BBC let Griffin upon since it had to.
Straw says this has been a "catastrophic week" for a BNP. For a initial time, people have been starting upon to YouTube to sense about a party. They have detected which Griffin is a "fantasising swindling theorist" as great as which he is a "man whose governing body have been formed upon competition rsther than than dignified values".
11.41pm: That's it. The programme's over.
I've customarily been skimming by a comments. I'm not certain we found any a single with a great word to contend about Straw's performance.
11.48pm: Nick Griffin has customarily been interviewed upon BBC News. He complained which it was not a required Question Time. He pronounced he would have favourite to have talked about normal issues.
Then Peter Hain was on. He indicted a BBC of unwell to assimilate that, for a celebration similar to a BNP, removing a height is positively crucial.
Michael Portillo as great as Diane Abbott have been right away deliberating a uncover upon Andrew Neil's late-night programme. Abbott says she is disturbed about "this sort of governing body apropos normalised".
11.54pm: David Lammy has customarily tweeted this:
just spoke to bonnie. she, similar to me, disturbed it incited in to a scrape griffin show. says he was tremor as he sat subsequent to her
11.58pm: I'm starting to breeze this up with a discerning outline shortly, though initial I'm customarily carrying a discerning demeanour to see if there have been any some-more nuggets value posting.
12.02am: we favourite this from James Forsyth during Coffee House.
The alternative thing which struck me as weird was which during 10.30 during night as great as upon a programme with someone as sinister as Nick Griffin on, a BBC felt thankful to beep a little swear worlds. If a assembly is grown up sufficient as great as grown up sufficient to understanding with Griffin, afterwards it is equates to to hoop a swear word or two.
Right, that's it. I'm starting to post my Instant Summary in a moment.
12.04am: Instant Summary
Nick Griffin: At a begin of this blog we quoted Gordon Brown observant which a programme would be "a great event to arrangement what [the BNP] have been about". When we wrote that, we suspicion which sounded a bit far-fetched. But, carrying watched a programme, we right away feel which Griffin was exposed. He was broke when confronted with a little of his past on-the-record statements, during times he was incompetent or reluctant to urge himself (for example, when asked a noted "which nation would we send me behind to?" question) as great as during slightest once (when articulate about Holocaust rejection legislation requesting in a UK) he resorted to observant something all untrue.
In two-minute interviews Griffin can peform utterly great and, to be honest, we suspicion his trickery with mesmerizing soundbites would capacitate him to do great tonight. But he didn't. He might not have come over as nasty – I'm not observant he isn't nasty, customarily which which wasn't a abiding sense left by his a single hour upon Question Time – though he positively came over as shallow, unintelligent as great as disingenuous.
That doesn't meant which Straw was right to contend which it was a inauspicious week for a party. The BNP have been right away closer to a mainstream than they have been prior to as great as they have perceived precious publicity, which contingency give them a little electoral advantage. But during slightest people who have never prior to taken most seductiveness in a BNP will right away have a most clearer suspicion of a stipulations of a leader.
BBC: "A stream practice in stream affairs journalism, or a pale arrangement of downmarket infotainment" was a subject we acted earlier. we feared a latter, though actually, in a end, we felt this was a great square of stream affairs programming which served a open interest. To a vast extent, which was down to Dimbleby, who was relentless when it came to severe Griffin with damning material.
Warsi as great as a others: Good, though not shining would be my outcome upon a shade village congruity minister. (It was a quite critical event for her, for reasons we explained during a start.) Straw was excellent upon competition issues, as great as his last soundbite (see my post during 11.35pm) about Griffin being a "fantasising swindling theorist" was catchy, though he was unimpressive when asked to urge a government's jot down upon immigration. Huhne put upon a great arrangement of dignified indignation. But my "panellist of a night" endowment would go to Bonnie Greer for a approach she gave Griffin a kindly patronising harangue upon British history.
On which note, it's time for bed. Thanks for all a comments.
1.12am: And if my outcome isn't enough, try John Kampfner, Peter Hain, Herman Ouseley, Rushanara Ali as great as Mark Lawson, who have all posted their thoughts during Comment is Free.
Now we unequivocally am starting to bed.
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